How do I answer this criticism/concern about the Flow Hive

In that case you may find the following information on Warre frame types I put together useful

It includes CAD drawings of the different frame types discussed in Warre’s book.

Thanks for sharing. What is the purpose of a follower board? Is it a spacer for adding feeders?

Has anyone flow hive big farm ?

Hello! I appreciate the blog address that you attached.
I see the responss by others on that particular blog already seem to answer, or debate well with the criticism of the flowhive. It is closer to $1,000.00 Canadian funds for a hive where I live, and I will most likely modify a Warre hive with the flow.

RBK,

Not seen a Warres Hive up close n personal. I quickly read your link … Interesting concept but not my bag I’m thinking.

We have bad mite issues here so not sure how the beekeeper would monitor mite infections if the boxes are only added to but not checked n inspected. With the Warres system it would be impossible to pull a frame, shake nurse bees frim it n perform a sugar roll check. Or maybe I’m missing something ?!

I think I’ll totally stay with my Langstroth hive system. At least I can pull frames to check n treat if needed. Any thots … I’m open to
Learning !

Gerald

Hi Jerry, Warre hives have removable frames just like Langstroth hives. The frames and boxes are a bit smaller, but you can certainly inspect and treat as needed. :blush:

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@JeffH I spent 2 hours at the hives today checking them and all was great, comb being drawn from the foundation and nectar and pollen that was not there a few days ago. Couldn’t find either queens but they are laying well so I’m not concerned. They are super quiet and showed little interest in me, I even changed the base boards over, very little smoke needed. I’m as happy as a pig in mud.
Found some that seem to not know much but too shy to ask questions and some who have hives and are in a panic as they don’t know as much as they thought they did. Seems they think the bees will die if they don’t do something, but what. Best for the bees is to leave them alone and they will sort out most problems.
I have come across the skeptics re the Flow Hive, little do they know the Flow Hives were tried and proven long before they were announced and put on the market.
See you a bit before 4pm tomorrow.

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Hi Peter, that’s good news. It was a hot day for extracting 11 boxes of honey in my old age. I think it’s going to get to 31 again tomorrow.

On the subject of the flow hive. I’m frequently hearing of people who want a flow hive because they think that all that’s involved is turning the key to let the honey flow.

Lots of people think that harvesting honey is the main part of beekeeping.

Yes I look forward to seeing you tomorrow, cheers

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Ha ha, if only. I have just spent two days learning lots of things at a beekeeping conference. The learning never stops.

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Some people think the honey is everything ignoring the fact that the bees need a strong colony to forage for the nectar. They miss the whole point of bee keeping. The weakest link is too often the hive owners not doing regular hive inspections and maintain a healthy and vibrant colony.
Thanks so much for today and thanks Wilma for dinner, really enjoyed myself.
Regards

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You are most welcome Peter. Those bees were clustered on the wall early this morning, however 5 minutes ago, they were all in the box. Remind me to tighten those frames up this afternoon. I forgot about it last night. …cheers

Yes I too have also come across “Hive Distrimination” but I just remind these delicate beings Henry Ford went through the same thing and look where he ended up,!!! unless they are Holden people, lol lol Open eyes and acceptance would be nice but for some people change is scary and that I respect, we are all wonderfully different. I love my Flowhives, the ease in which I can harvest wonderful health honey, minimise Bee death and it has improved my produce amazingly !!! Best mediation is watching the Bee’s come and go, just BEEAUTIFUL :star_struck:

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Does one need a flow hive to get good mediation while watching bees come & go?

Only if Jape is around :rofl: :smiling_imp: :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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No it just another form of relaxation, win win

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I agree Julie, it IS another form of relaxation. A chance to be at one with nature.

However, what are people saying about the flow hive 3 & a bit years after it’s launch?

I definitely need to mediate your posts Jeff while a Flow Hive is being spoken about :wink:

What are people saying about the Flow Hive 3 years later? hmmm - isn’t it self evident on this forum, or by doing a search online?

Is Julie not talking about her Flow Hive, and how she loves to watch the bees come and go, and enjoys the simplicity of harvesting with a Flow Hive.

Or are you asking; what are the people who were against Flow Hives saying now, 3 years later?

Do you have some feedback to share about the Flow Hive 3 years on that you haven’t shared yet on the forum?

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I was just wondering what people were saying to Julie for her to remind the delicate beings that Henry Ford went through the same thing.

In relation to bee deaths, it appears that the consensus of opinion is that the flow frames need inspecting before harvest. It’s difficult to do that without bee deaths.

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Hi Jeff, I think sometimes people say things to stir others up, which is unfortunate I suppose. It is a bit like what Julie alludes to when she make the reference to Ford versus Holden. I remember endless banter about this in the 1970s, but not much of the criticism was genuine. It was more about “stirring someone up” from what I can remember, so it is more about the psychology of the person stirring rather than functionality of the product, if you get what I mean. Criticisms that are “stirring” about the Flow hive would be no different, so much of it is of no consequence really, except it is unnecessarily hurtful to people.

I see Cedar harvesting (on the Flow facebook videos) without removing the frames to inspect them before harvest, but he always inspects them (by looking through the end window). He doesn’t appear to kill the bees when he does that. Sometimes I guess a multitude of inspections are made before harvest as the frames are looked at as they are filling every day for weeks (I know I have done that) . I don’t think he routinely removes the frames, from what I have seen, to inspect them before harvest.

So yes, I agree that the consensus is that the frames need inspection before harvest, but it seems that does not necessarily mean removing them from the super, and it shouldn’t result in bee deaths.

I sell honey to the public so I have to remove before harvest to be absolutely certain I’m selling ripe, non-small hive beetle juiced, honey. I’m overly cautious: I also place my chicken eggs in a bucket of water if I can’t remember if I collected today or yesterday: Gotta make sure they sink! lol

With regard to killing bees, I don’t care what hive or method you are using, you’re gonna kill some bees at some point: During that inspection when all hell breaks loose and bees come boiling out of the box with the intent to end me, them boxes are getting slapped back together and someone’s losing some body parts. Hell doesn’t break loose often but keep bees long enough and you’ll see.

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