# External lights at night time causing problems **URL:** \ **Category:** Beekeeping - Basics\ **Created:** [April 24, 2020, 10:41pm UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/external-lights-at-night-time-causing-problems/25558 "2020-04-24T22:41:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![The\_garden\_rooftop](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.honeyflow.com/the_garden_rooftop/32/21246_2.png) [@The\_garden\_rooftop](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/The_garden_rooftop)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 10:41pm UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/external-lights-at-night-time-causing-problems/25558/1 "2020-04-24T22:41:25Z")
Hi team, We are after some advice regarding external lights at night. We live on the top floor of an apartment building in Sydney. The property next door has an external light about 6 metres below the hive and the bees are hanging out next to it this morning. They are sitting still on the wall. Not much movement and not sure if they are alive. In the photo below I have circled the hive in yellow and the external light in orange. It’s 8:30am and the bees are still there (it’s also still in the shade). The neighbours haven’t complained yet but I am trying to get on the front foot here. They have mentioned dead bees on their patios in the past. Do I need to screen the hive from the neighbours a little better? The bees are next to the edge and maybe if I brought them in from the parapet, and screened with hedges that could help? It would be great to solve this issue without any major relocation as we don’t really have any other options for locations. The bees have been in this location since November last year. This is the first time we’ve noticed this. Last night we did turn off another external light (in the location where I took the photo) so I think they’ve found the next closest light! We found a few hundred dead bees inside the light fitting we turned off last night! For info we did a brood inspection two weeks ago and the hive is very healthy and strong. Thanks for any advice! ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/honeyflow/original/3X/8/3/83dd7252ac8f36cd74a8c3490b5505b344f40df0.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![AdamMaskew](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.honeyflow.com/adammaskew/32/16818_2.png) [@AdamMaskew](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/AdamMaskew)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2020, 11:21pm UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/external-lights-at-night-time-causing-problems/25558/2 "2020-04-24T23:21:05Z")
Yes external lights can be an issue as you have found. Can you rotate your hive away from the light a little more. I find that if there is not a direct line of sight I don’t get bees on the lights. The other option may be a barrier between the hive and that light. Sometimes plants work sometimes you need something a little more solid. ---
**Author:** ![JeffH](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.honeyflow.com/jeffh/32/7192_2.png) [@JeffH](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/JeffH)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2020, 12:30am UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/external-lights-at-night-time-causing-problems/25558/3 "2020-04-25T00:30:13Z")
Just looking at your photo, I wouldn’t have thought there would be an issue. I would definitely face the entrance away from the light & use some side covers so that the bees hanging out at night can’t see back at the light. Maybe you could fit some heavy shade cloth to the rail on that corner also. I hope turning the hive around doesn’t cause any other issues. cheers ---
**Author:** ![The\_garden\_rooftop](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.honeyflow.com/the_garden_rooftop/32/21246_2.png) [@The\_garden\_rooftop](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/The_garden_rooftop)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2020, 12:56am UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/external-lights-at-night-time-causing-problems/25558/4 "2020-04-25T00:56:26Z")
Thank you. OK so we have added a temporary tarp over the rail and rotated the hive about 60 degrees or so towards the east which is where they were flying anyway. It was facing due north before. Now it’s north east. We will invest in a better looking outdoor shade cloth and place some Lilly Pillies in front to soften the look. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/honeyflow/original/3X/6/b/6b5de27e3187d15ccc9a834020e7539ae0ec7a83.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Peter48](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.honeyflow.com/peter48/32/14625_2.png) [@Peter48](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/Peter48)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2020, 2:21am UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/external-lights-at-night-time-causing-problems/25558/5 "2020-04-25T02:21:43Z")
With no line of sight between the front of the hive and the light I’m a bit surprised it is an issue but look forward to how thing go with the adding of the shade cloth and rotating the hive. Please keep us updated. Cheers ---
**Author:** ![JeffH](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.honeyflow.com/jeffh/32/7192_2.png) [@JeffH](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/JeffH)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2020, 4:20am UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/external-lights-at-night-time-causing-problems/25558/6 "2020-04-25T04:20:59Z")
Well done Ian. Lilly Pillies sound good, however as a beekeeper have you considered planting any Leptospermum varieties? They have a good range at Bunnings. You can read the labels to see which one grows to the desired height etc. ---
**Author:** ![busso](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.honeyflow.com/busso/32/16301_2.png) [@busso](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/busso)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2020, 8:09am UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/external-lights-at-night-time-causing-problems/25558/7 "2020-04-25T08:09:39Z")
> [@JeffH](#): > > You can read the labels to see which one grows to the desired height etc. Don’t pick one which says Manuka. 😉 I am a big fan of the grevilleas. Lots of nectar and pollen, very long flowering also good to attract honeyeater birds. There are varieties which do nicely in pots. ---
**Author:** ![Ruttneri](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.honeyflow.com/ruttneri/32/21723_2.png) [@Ruttneri](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/Ruttneri)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2020, 1:43pm UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/external-lights-at-night-time-causing-problems/25558/8 "2020-04-25T13:43:24Z")
> [@The\_garden\_rooftop](#): > > We will invest in a better looking outdoor shade cloth A reed screen will look nice there I think. ---
**Author:** ![fffffred](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/71c47a/32.png) [@fffffred](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/fffffred)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2020, 3:58pm UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/external-lights-at-night-time-causing-problems/25558/9 "2020-04-25T15:58:15Z")
Are those dots, bees hanging around the light? given its day light, I’d want to be checking they aren’t living in that vent below the light fixture… ---
**Author:** ![AdamMaskew](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.honeyflow.com/adammaskew/32/16818_2.png) [@AdamMaskew](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/AdamMaskew)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2020, 12:11am UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/external-lights-at-night-time-causing-problems/25558/10 "2020-04-26T00:11:12Z")
Maybe and checking would be good but I reckon they are just chilled and haven’t flown back yet. How did you go overnight @The_garden_rooftop ---
**Author:** ![The\_garden\_rooftop](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.honeyflow.com/the_garden_rooftop/32/21246_2.png) [@The\_garden\_rooftop](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/The_garden_rooftop)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2020, 1:45am UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/external-lights-at-night-time-causing-problems/25558/11 "2020-04-26T01:45:55Z")
Hi everyone! Good news! No bees on the wall or around the light next door. Neither last night nor this morning. So the twist and tarp worked! Bees seem very happy. Almost all flow frames full so we extracted one frame this morning. Thank you for the help! Ian ---
**Author:** ![Peter48](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.honeyflow.com/peter48/32/14625_2.png) [@Peter48](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/Peter48)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2020, 2:02am UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/external-lights-at-night-time-causing-problems/25558/12 "2020-04-26T02:02:14Z")
Glad to read that Ian and thanks for the update. Cheers ---
**Author:** ![AdamMaskew](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.honeyflow.com/adammaskew/32/16818_2.png) [@AdamMaskew](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/AdamMaskew)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2020, 2:34am UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/external-lights-at-night-time-causing-problems/25558/13 "2020-04-26T02:34:59Z")
Good news, you could try removing the tarp and see if the twist by itself is sufficient. Enjoy the honey