# Foundation in Flow Hive Frames? **URL:** \ **Category:** Modifications & Building Bee Hives\ **Tags:** foundation\ **Created:** [December 7, 2021, 1:11pm UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/foundation-in-flow-hive-frames/32000 "2021-12-07T13:11:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![TAC](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.honeyflow.com/tac/32/26488_2.png) [@TAC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/TAC)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2021, 1:11pm UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/foundation-in-flow-hive-frames/32000/1 "2021-12-07T13:11:27Z")
I’ve recently purchased two 6 frame Flow hives, a Flow Hive 2 and a Flow Hive 2+. I live in northern Michigan and plan on purchasing two 5 frame nucs this spring from a local beekeeper. I am planning on putting foundations in the Flow frames in my brood boxes and was wondering how difficult it might be to putting wired foundation (see below) in the Flow Hive foundation-less frames? Deep 8 1/2" X 16 3/4" Crimp Wired Long Hook - 10 Pack > **[Deep 8 1/2](https://www.dadant.com/catalog/f35010-10-sh-wired-8-1-2-x-16-3-4)** > > 10 sheets of Crimp Wired Foundation developed by Dadant & Sons Inc copied but unequalled. Steel Hook fits behind the wedge in wedge top bar frames. 9 vertical crimped steel wires radiate strength, perfectly milled cells deep exact walls. We... ---
**Author:** ![chau06](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.honeyflow.com/chau06/32/25515_2.png) [@chau06](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/chau06)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2021, 3:50pm UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/foundation-in-flow-hive-frames/32000/2 "2021-12-07T15:50:01Z")
The frames that come with the flow hive, I believe, have end bars with holes for wire to pass through. Not sure how these wire ends will fit into the frames. Worst case, I guess you could just clip the ends of the wires off if they are in the way but otherwise should be ok. You could also go with waxed plastic foundation, which is more durable/strong and can be scraped down if need be. ---
**Author:** ![TAC](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.honeyflow.com/tac/32/26488_2.png) [@TAC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/TAC)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2022, 12:01pm UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/foundation-in-flow-hive-frames/32000/3 "2022-01-18T12:01:46Z")
So basically you don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![chau06](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.honeyflow.com/chau06/32/25515_2.png) [@chau06](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/chau06)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2022, 1:06pm UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/foundation-in-flow-hive-frames/32000/4 "2022-01-18T13:06:35Z")
Yep. No idea about your specific case. What I don’t know is if the frames you have came with holes (mine did) and if the wire spacing on the foundation is the same as the holes in the frame… But now that I look at the foundation you have, I’m pretty sure it won’t work with the wires because the foundation is made to go with wedge top bars, the top bars on the flow provided frames are groove bars. ---
**Author:** ![JeffH](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.honeyflow.com/jeffh/32/7192_2.png) [@JeffH](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/JeffH)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2022, 7:56pm UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/foundation-in-flow-hive-frames/32000/5 "2022-01-18T19:56:35Z")
I thought @chau06 's response was quite helpful. I think a good option would be to seek out some local knowledge or join a bee group, which is what Flow recommends anyway… ---
**Author:** ![Savo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.honeyflow.com/savo/32/28258_2.png) [@Savo](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/Savo)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2022, 9:38am UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/foundation-in-flow-hive-frames/32000/6 "2022-11-09T09:38:11Z")
I have 3 Flow hive 2+ and have used wax foundations on stainless wire. The frame kits you get from Flow are suitable for wax foundation. You don’t fit the pine strip into the groove at the top of the frame. There are holes for your wires and you slot the wax sheet into the top slot and let the current flow. ---
**Author:** ![Metsker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Metsker](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/Metsker)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 10:49pm UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/foundation-in-flow-hive-frames/32000/7 "2024-01-16T22:49:21Z")
Would love to know if this worked out for you. Setting up my first hive and not loving foundationless frames.