Actually I don’t think that is correct and I do think that is where the corporate sector is going very wrong.
That attitude puts the profits of the company and the interests of the shareholders ahead of the interests of their customers. That is backwards. Companies deserve the money they make because of the value they provide to their customers. If they provide more value they deserve more money if they provide less value then they deserve less money.
That doesn’t mean they should second guess their customers but it does mean that their promotional material must be accurate and considered. I’ve had sales people representing their companies try and sell me stuff that wasn’t appropriate for my job, several times I’ve detected this and I’ve never bought from them again because of their unethical behaviour. Conversely I’ve sometimes been told by sales people that I should by a different product from a different company because their product wasn’t appropriate. Doesn’t happen very often but those guys have won my trust and now when I need new gear those guys are first on my call list to see if they can supply what I need.
Stuart and Cedar got the mix pretty much right so while I can understand and sympathise with Samat3 I wouldn’t support his claim for a refund on the basis that he was misled.
You know what - all of the original crowd funders - I mean the first 24hrs - we all took a gamble - I wondered how much I was prepared to invest and possibly lose if it went belly up. You only gamble with what you can afford to realistically lose.
The original target of $70,000 Au was not unreasonable or overstated.
People who had not heard of this particular crowd funding previous to the launch or those that were waiting to see how well it took off and how successful it would be, jumped in after the first couple of successful days when all records were broken and it took the worlds imagination to new heights.
I voted with my wallet and took a chance, mainly as it was a way for me to keep bees and help the bee population.
Some may have joined because its a new gadget, some for “cheap” honey, some out of curiosity, and now we find a few who just want to make a fast buck of the hard work of others. sic “I am Chinese businessman”
If you go for a crowd funding scheme you don’t know how it will turn out - that is the gamble, just because it paid off big time and Cedar and Stu will get a comfortable income from it, I don’t think anyone could have predicted this exceptional outcome.
If you voluntarily put your money into crowd funding and feel you have made a mistake, WHAT WERE YOU THINKING??? it was a gamble for all of us - personally I’m ecstatic with my choices.
Hind sight is wonderful thing - you don’t buy a lottery ticket and ask for your money back if it doesn’t win!!!
Well the way i see it you buy a puppy u have to look after it. you buy bee’s u have to look after them . video or no video all animals need us to look after them . anyone thinking thay would just rob honey and nothing more is just plain silly.
Hi Valli, be careful with that Ausie humor:) at no point on this thread did samat3 ask for a refund, unless I missed something. Jake generously offered a refund & as it appears, that is available to everyone. It appears that samat3 is considering excepting the refund. That should be the end of it. We ALL make mistakes. It’s how we learn.
Thank you Adam, I stumbled upon that one after I got chipped for using abbreviations. I thought “now’s a good time to use it”. It’s alright for those blokes that can type a hundred words a minute. I’m far from that, I’ll talk to you later, bye
Yes, we all make mistakes but rather than simply stumbling about in the dark and learning from that… it’s a wise man that takes advice from a wiser man in the first place.
Same here, I’m a one finger typist & I have to look at the keyboard at the same time. I’m thankful for spell check. It’s all good fun. Sorry to hear about your disability. It’s half light here, a quick cup of coffee & I’m off to the bees, take care, bye
Gooday neaaaaa bour ,
Its The Captain Again , Down here the information is a bit sketchy about frequency of hive inspections . Depends on the experience , local club teachings and who can read ! , My understanding of the DPI (department of primary industry ) minimum hive opening frequencies are
1. full hive inspection of all frames and brood twice a year for all diseases and stores , once at the start of spring , once mid Autumn .
2. full brood and frame inspection once every 10 days during early spring and any other honey flow periods . It can start and stop ,splutter ,stop , or rip your bloody head off with full boxes in two days !!! ,then fill the lid cavity in a matter of 6-8 hrs . Amazing and almost true !
3. Swarm prevention is the name of the game in spring , so first warm days , I pull the centre two brood frames up from the brood box , close up the centre 4 x frames in brood box and insert two drawn combs into the space either side of the 4 x frames to give the brood box space to grow and un-cramp bees .
4. the two brood frames removed go into a new box immediately above . The two brood frames form a pyramid above and stretch out the bees and queen tricking her into thinking she has more space . The workers are forced to tend the brood above ,the bees lay stores above to satisfy the space and stretched brood pattern .
5.if you have a double or triple already , just keep going up . They will fill the comb out sideways eventually .
In warmer climates , they just put two or three boxes on top of strong hives and let them work it out .they just check every two weeks or so . If the naughty queen goes to the top and stays there , this box can be relocated back to the bottom and a queen excluder added .
Lazy beekeepers alwayse find excuses not to inspect , they probably drip dry their plates and cutlery also ( so luck needs to be with them) , and disease eventually will .
Commercial bee keepers know every bloody thing , so we can only do just so much !
The latest video from the team shows the assembly of the full hive. During the video they show a queen excluder. I thought a queen excluder wasn’t necessary with the flow frames?
I really don’t think you would want to risk the queen laying brood (or drones) in the Flow frames especially if you are operating a single brood box, use an excluder and you never have to worry about it.
at no point on this thread did samat3 ask for a refund, unless I missed something. Jake generously offered a refund & as it appears, that is available to everyone. It appears that samat3 is considering excepting the refund. That should be the end of it. We ALL make mistakes. It’s how we learn.