# To insulate or not to insulate **URL:** \ **Category:** Beekeeping - Basics\ **Created:** [September 26, 2016, 1:17am UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/to-insulate-or-not-to-insulate/8670 "2016-09-26T01:17:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jdinkel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e56c9b/32.png) [@jdinkel](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/jdinkel)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 1:17am UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/to-insulate-or-not-to-insulate/8670/1 "2016-09-26T01:17:57Z")
I am in southwestern CT and I started my one hive in the spring of this year (2016). I have two deep hive boxes going strong. The bottom box is almost exclusively brood and the upper box is virtually all honey. I added the Flow super in early July. I have seen moderate to good bee activity in the Flow frames, but no honey as of last inspection a week ago. I am not expecting to get a harvest this year and will likely have to pull the Flow super off for the winter before there is any honey to harvest. Has anyone considered insulation? There is an interesting top insulation solution at [beethinking.com](http://beethinking.com) (I believe these are the folks who make the hive material for Flow in the US): > **[Bee Hives and Beekeeping Supplies For Sale | Bee Built](https://beebuilt.com/)** > > Top-bar hives, Warre hives, and Langstroth bee hives. FREE U.S. shipping. Beekeeping supplies, classes, gifts, & more. See all Bee Built products I am inclined to insulate, but concerned about moisture/condensation. This product claims that the design/material will wick away excess moisture. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Yeager](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.honeyflow.com/john_yeager/32/4082_2.png) [@John\_Yeager](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/John_Yeager)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/to-insulate-or-not-to-insulate/8670/2 "2016-09-26T01:59:08Z")
Here is some advice I got from @Dawn_SD Hope this helps. I am going to insulate my hives and build the quilted roofs for my hives. I like the ones from the article because of the venting on the sides. Without proper ventilation this leads to moisture buildup. 1. Rusty Burlew has some comprehensive advice here: [http://honeybeesuite.com/how-i-overwintered-ten-out-of-ten/4](http://honeybeesuite.com/how-i-overwintered-ten-out-of-ten/4) Personally I wouldn’t open the screen of the bottom board, but she did it successfully for a few month, presumably to deal with any condensation. It seems that her husband (an energy conservation expert) persuaded her to close the screens back up during the winter. 2. In addition to a quilted roof, I would consider putting insulation around the outside of the hive. You can either buy this from a beekeeping supplier, or you can make your own by cutting rigid home insulation to shape: [http://www.homedepot.com/p/R-Tech-2-in-x-4-ft-x-8-ft-R-7-7-Rigid-Foam-Insulation-310891/2025328563](http://www.homedepot.com/p/R-Tech-2-in-x-4-ft-x-8-ft-R-7-7-Rigid-Foam-Insulation-310891/2025328563) ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.honeyflow.com/ogre/32/4727_2.png) [@Ogre](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 8:36am UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/to-insulate-or-not-to-insulate/8670/3 "2016-09-26T08:36:43Z")
The warmer the better…less energy expended means a stronger hive. ---
**Author:** ![Eva](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dbc845/32.png) [@Eva](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/Eva)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 12:51pm UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/to-insulate-or-not-to-insulate/8670/4 "2016-09-26T12:51:45Z")
Warmer isn’t exactly better - the higher the temps the more active bees become, consuming more stores & then the queen might even start laying eggs, leading to more stores being consumed & running out before spring flow. Make your hives snug against drafts & moisture & let the bees keep themselves warm enough to survive until it’s hospitable outdoors 🕶🌈 Here in SE Pennsylvania I plan to use sheets of styrofoam around the outside walls of my hive, and a moisture quilt under the outer cover as in John’s post. I figure that if my bees had their choice of homes in this climate, they’d be in a tree hollow - so the walls might be a little thicker than my Langstroth box, plus higher up & maybe with punky wood inside that would prevent moisture buildup. Or else they’d be in the eaves of someone’s house - also up higher & with decent moisture wicking. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.honeyflow.com/ogre/32/4727_2.png) [@Ogre](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 9:58am UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/to-insulate-or-not-to-insulate/8670/5 "2016-09-28T09:58:47Z")
I think the warmest they are going to get in the winter is what heat they can produce, no matter how much insulation you have. I think we are saying the same thing in a different way. I still have to go with the the least amount of energy to keep a nominal temperature the better. O ---
**Author:** ![RBK](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.honeyflow.com/rbk/32/4134_2.png) [@RBK](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/RBK)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 11:28am UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/to-insulate-or-not-to-insulate/8670/6 "2016-09-28T11:28:40Z")
If you’re serious about insulating, look into aerogel (which I believe is much more readily available in the US than here in Australia) ---
**Author:** ![Anon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/47e85d/32.png) [@Anon](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/Anon)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 12:30pm UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/to-insulate-or-not-to-insulate/8670/7 "2016-09-28T12:30:50Z")
Last year I didn’t insulate (NJ) and overwintered 50/50 successfully. One was as small as a frame and a half of bees. What I did do was provide a wind break against the NW winds and made sure the front of the hives got as much morning sun as possible. I do use moisture boards from Mann Lake or Brushy Mountain as well. The year before I insulated with 30# felt paper: ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/honeyflow/original/2X/8/8a5adf3ca03b37f176ac6ffe4523effea3d3beb8.JPG) ---
**Author:** ![jdinkel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e56c9b/32.png) [@jdinkel](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/jdinkel)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 2:14am UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/to-insulate-or-not-to-insulate/8670/10 "2017-04-18T02:14:09Z")
Thanks to everyone for their replies. In the end, I did not insulate the sides, but did use the top insulation and moisture wicking product in my original post. Unfortunately, my bees swarmed without me noticing in the late November / early December timeframe. I will be posting a question about this in a separate post. So, I don’t know how effective my measures were. ---
**Author:** ![Debbie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.honeyflow.com/debbie/32/21130_2.png) [@Debbie](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/Debbie)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 12:33pm UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/to-insulate-or-not-to-insulate/8670/11 "2017-06-09T12:33:44Z")
As we all know beekeeping is local. Rusty Burlew lives in the Pacific northwest and has a totally different winter than I do in the western Catskill Mtns of NY. I insulate my hives with roofing tarpaper and put the insulation on 3 sides of the hive and in the outer cover; the sugar board is made with a shim with an entrance and hardware cloth on the bottom to hold the sugar mixture which acts as a moisture board. This works for me where I am. ---
**Author:** ![Debbie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.honeyflow.com/debbie/32/21130_2.png) [@Debbie](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/Debbie)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 12:38pm UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/to-insulate-or-not-to-insulate/8670/12 "2017-06-09T12:38:41Z")
![](https://cdck-file-uploads-us1.s3.dualstack.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/flex016/uploads/honeyflow/original/2X/2/2304087641aca789d47f75ad839c20f2b4700d8f.jpg) ![](https://cdck-file-uploads-us1.s3.dualstack.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/flex016/uploads/honeyflow/original/2X/e/ec5f9c1183511644d7cca6a3a3e46a9a7c96f801.JPG) ![](https://cdck-file-uploads-us1.s3.dualstack.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/flex016/uploads/honeyflow/original/2X/7/74e11d741b81110d75817375280ecebb10c4c70e.JPG) Kelsey Grammer at a honey tasting we did and a FLIR image of two hives this past winter. ---
**Author:** ![jdinkel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e56c9b/32.png) [@jdinkel](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/jdinkel)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 1:20pm UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/to-insulate-or-not-to-insulate/8670/13 "2017-06-09T13:20:22Z")
Great pictures! I assume these were from different days? Looks like the bee ball shifted a bit…I assume to go where the honey stores were. ---
**Author:** ![Debbie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.honeyflow.com/debbie/32/21130_2.png) [@Debbie](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/Debbie)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 2:16pm UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/to-insulate-or-not-to-insulate/8670/14 "2017-06-09T14:16:10Z")
They were two different hives…we overwintered 8 and all made it through. I keep thinking what did I do different? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Sustainable\_Mike](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.honeyflow.com/sustainable_mike/32/23980_2.png) [@Sustainable\_Mike](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/Sustainable_Mike)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2020, 9:31pm UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/to-insulate-or-not-to-insulate/8670/15 "2020-12-14T21:31:02Z")
There is growing information on how insulated hives are good year round for the bees and honey production no matter the climate. It is however more impactful in cold winter climates. I find this product most appealing- [Insulated smart beehive- Hyper Hyve](HTTPS://www.hyperhyve.com) ---
**Author:** ![Bianca](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.honeyflow.com/bianca/32/23486_2.png) [@Bianca](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/Bianca)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2020, 10:24pm UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/to-insulate-or-not-to-insulate/8670/16 "2020-12-14T22:24:45Z")
Hi @Sustainable_Mike - you’ve offered 2 links, one that’s broken and another for an online cloud service. Do you mind reposting the correct one? Thanks 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![w2cvbee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ecae2f/32.png) [@w2cvbee](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/w2cvbee)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2020, 12:12am UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/to-insulate-or-not-to-insulate/8670/17 "2020-12-15T00:12:19Z")
> **[BeeMax Hive Kits | Betterbee](https://www.betterbee.com/bee-hive-kits/beemax-hive-kits.asp)** This is good resource for insulated hives that have been in production and common use for 20 years. I used this light weight equipment and was very happy for it’s durability and high quality. I would likely be still using this today if I had been doing keeping all along. ---
**Author:** ![chau06](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.honeyflow.com/chau06/32/25515_2.png) [@chau06](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/chau06)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 11:37pm UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/to-insulate-or-not-to-insulate/8670/18 "2021-01-22T23:37:14Z")
I borrowed a FLIR out of curiosity and am impressed at how well my insulation is blocking the heat escape. Currently 18°F, -8°C. The temp probe I have inside the hive (but probably not within the cluster) says 72°F… only place the heat really shows is the entrance. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/honeyflow/original/3X/9/7/97a93489d15264d0991b7320c0bf71481a59c1dc.jpeg)