# Treat new Nucleus with Varromed? **URL:** \ **Category:** Pests and Diseases\ **Created:** [October 22, 2018, 10:41am UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/treat-new-nucleus-with-varromed/16644 "2018-10-22T10:41:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Exib](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.honeyflow.com/exib/32/16785_2.png) [@Exib](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/Exib)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 10:41am UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/treat-new-nucleus-with-varromed/16644/1 "2018-10-22T10:41:14Z")
How soon would you treat new bees going from Nucleus into a Flow Hive 2, let them settle for a couple of weeks and then do the first treatment? this is a new hive though will not have the bees until May 2019 I have been looking at this treatment [https://www.bbwear.co.uk/bee-supplies/treatments/varroa](https://www.bbwear.co.uk/bee-supplies/treatments/varroa) ---
**Author:** ![Dawn\_SD](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.honeyflow.com/dawn_sd/32/15954_2.png) [@Dawn\_SD](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/Dawn_SD)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 3:43pm UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/treat-new-nucleus-with-varromed/16644/2 "2018-10-22T15:43:04Z")
I would leave them at least that long, and maybe a month. Rather than treating empirically I would do a mite count first using either a sugar roll or alcohol wash, and treat according to the counts. I don’t really like formic acid treatments, especially for new hives. They can be quite hard on the bees, and most experts say that there is a 10% risk that you may lose your queen. I far prefer oxalic acid vaporization. Once you have invested in the equipment (quite expensive), each treatment only costs a few pennies. It is quick to do, and minimally disturbing to the bees. Treatments can be repeated at 5 day intervals until you have good mite counts. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Exib](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.honeyflow.com/exib/32/16785_2.png) [@Exib](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/Exib)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 7:04pm UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/treat-new-nucleus-with-varromed/16644/3 "2018-10-22T19:04:48Z")
Thanks Dawn I will have a look ---
**Author:** ![Dawn\_SD](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.honeyflow.com/dawn_sd/32/15954_2.png) [@Dawn\_SD](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/Dawn_SD)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 7:10pm UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/treat-new-nucleus-with-varromed/16644/4 "2018-10-22T19:10:40Z")
I have the Swiss-designed Varrox unit, and it is excellent. Expensive, but durable, reliable and nicely made. You can buy one here: [https://www.thorne.co.uk/index.php?route=product/search&filter\_name=varrox](https://www.thorne.co.uk/index.php?route=product/search&filter_name=varrox) You then need a power supply, and I use a lightweight jump starter, as one of my hives is a long way from civilization. 😉 Any 12V jump starter designed for SUVs, trucks etc, should be more than good enough. Mine will do about 5 hives before needing a recharge. For the Oxalic Acid, I just use commercial wood bleach. In the US, this is 99% pure oxalic acid crystals, which is more than good enough. In the UK, B&Q or Homebase should have something equivalent. 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Exib](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.honeyflow.com/exib/32/16785_2.png) [@Exib](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/Exib)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 7:15pm UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/treat-new-nucleus-with-varromed/16644/5 "2018-10-22T19:15:56Z")
Thanks again Dawn I will have a look ---
**Author:** ![Ddjd412](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Ddjd412](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/Ddjd412)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 8:19pm UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/treat-new-nucleus-with-varromed/16644/6 "2019-06-20T20:19:00Z")
What is the jump starter you use? Having trouble finding a reliable one! ---
**Author:** ![Dawn\_SD](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.honeyflow.com/dawn_sd/32/15954_2.png) [@Dawn\_SD](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/Dawn_SD)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 8:52pm UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/treat-new-nucleus-with-varromed/16644/7 "2019-06-20T20:52:09Z")
I use this one. You have to keep pressing the Boost button every 30 seconds, but it is simple, reliable and light weight. > **[Amazon.com: GOOLOO SuperSafe Car Jump Starter, 800A Peak 18000mAh 12V Auto...](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HPCB2FW/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1)** ---
**Author:** ![Ddjd412](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Ddjd412](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/Ddjd412)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 8:55pm UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/treat-new-nucleus-with-varromed/16644/8 "2019-06-20T20:55:17Z")
Thank you! This one isn’t available but I can find one similar I’m sure. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Eva](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dbc845/32.png) [@Eva](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/Eva)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 9:40pm UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/treat-new-nucleus-with-varromed/16644/9 "2019-06-21T21:40:56Z")
A small tractor battery works too 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ddjd412](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Ddjd412](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/Ddjd412)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2019, 3:44am UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/treat-new-nucleus-with-varromed/16644/10 "2019-06-23T03:44:33Z")
If anyone else should be looking for a jump starter to power their oxalic acid vaporizer, I ended up going with this one from harbor freight. You do have to push the jumpstart button every 60 seconds but it will definitely last through several treatments on a single charge > **[Lithium Ion Jump Starter and Power Pack](https://www.harborfreight.com/lithium-ion-jump-starter-and-power-pack-62749.html)** > > Compact Power Pack ---
**Author:** ![Ddjd412](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Ddjd412](https://forum.honeyflow.com/u/Ddjd412)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 5:16am UTC](https://forum.honeyflow.com/t/treat-new-nucleus-with-varromed/16644/11 "2019-07-02T05:16:46Z")
Update: the viking jump starter lasts for 5, 4 minute treatments, or a total of 20 minutes of power on a single charge. And if anyone is looking for an oxalic acid vaporizer that fits the opening of the flow hive 2 this one is it! And less than $30! BBTshop Oxalic Acid Vaporizer… [https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07S5CC4CM?ref=ppx\_pop\_mob\_ap\_share](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07S5CC4CM?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share)