It must be put on the top of the super frames, think about it this way, if it is between the brood box and the super it would then be sitting on the queen excluder and so it would restrict the bees from going into the flow frames. It would also bees would be going back and forth from the heat of the brood box into the cold of the super. Simply put the lino, or called a hive matt, fits on top of the highest super. Hope that explains it better to you Shayne, cheers.
Hey Ian, Just a caveat to add in with using saw dust or wood shavings is that it must be free of any of the treatments used to control white ants as it is toxin and will kill bees.
Are you getting frosts in Warwick yet? I figure it must be close out there.
Ooooh, I love that. A Bee Zen? Sign me up. I am also happy to be called a friend or to be regarded as having friends here. Thank you so much for making my day.
Yes, I always use untreated timber from my local mill as opposed to Bunnings banana boards lol
And yes Peter, it is very close to frosts. Our neighbour has a tree dahlia and it always drops its flowers just before the first frost, and I noticed a few petals dropping today.
We are expecting daytime temps in the mid twenties for the next week or so, so I am aiming to build the quilt & do my last inspection over this period when I will fit it. [wind permitting]
It will be interesting to see how they winter with this and i will post the results in spring when I plan to split the hive.
Semaphore, yr in the northern hemisphere these quilts maybe great in yr part of the world but here they are not required unless the bees are in Victoria or Tasmania.
Don’t waste yr time with the quilt its not needed in yr climate
Um- pretty sure last time I drained the sink the water went down counter clockwise… what I am saying is- I am very much in the Souther Hemisphere- in Adelaide Australia.
They may not be necessary here (or anywhere in fact) but I think they will be of benefit to bees here just as they are elsewhere. Moisture build up in hives is an issue over winter in Adelaide- and heat loss is too. It doesn’t get freezing very often but it is cold. I think these boxes will help resolve/ameliorate both issues. I will be trialling them on my hives this winter.
Ok best put yr location in yr profile.
Have yr bees in a sunny location out of the wind. Provide them with a pest free hive as best you can!!
The biggest thing I see these days is someone that has nothing to do plays around creates something posts it on the net like these moisture quilts and people that have no idea take it up and spend time, effort plus money to do what bees have been doing for 1000s of yrs
so it’s my fault you assumed I was from the Northern hemisphere, eh?
as for the patronising musings:
Go ahead and chuckle. Pesonally I Like folks who are happy to tinker- who test new ideas- who innovate and move forward. Some things work- some don’t… That’s how progress happens. You don’t have to bother yourself with them…
I can just imagine you there, 10,000 years ago sitting on a fence, loking at the guy making the first wheel, chuckling to yourself, and telling anyone who’d listen how it wasn’t needed… …
I imagine these boxes will take me about 15 minutes apiece to make- and I TRULY believe the bees will appreciate the added insulation. They will also double as robber proof feeder boxes. We had an extreme heatwave this year where temps hit 47c- completely killing two of my hives and 100’s (if not thousnds of beehives) around South Australia: I believe these lids will help colonies suirvive by inuslating the roof from the colony when the sun is blasting th down on it. Obviously beekeeprs are going to have to rethink how they operate if such temps become more common.
Finally they will also be invaluable when moving hives as fully ventilated screened lids (just remove the wood chip insulation). So they do four things- take 15 minutes to make and can be made from scaps.
To conclude- thanks for your thoughts, but no thanks
lol yr arrogance surpasses yr ignorance.
I also love people that innovate and try new things like the flow hive that is awesome and I take my hat off to the people that have invented and marketed their product to the extent these guys have. They invented a new wheel for bee hives.
These things yr promoting were around 30 years ago and were found to bee next to useless because the bees spent so much time sealing them up to stop the air flow through the hive. As for moving bees with ventilated lids lol where have you been for 50 yrs!!! all migratory beekeepers move their hives open entrance and they seem to survive without extra ventilation.
As for heat stress most of that is because you have probably done what I have read on forum reduce yr entrances to 150mm ? Um Im not very smart as you eluded to but my entrances are full box wide and we had temperatures as high as yrs for extended periods my bees bearded up to the top of their hive but they all survived and thrived but what would I know
I have gone to 1 of my apiary to inspect hives and found all 40 hives dead from spray poisoning.
I have watched my apiary of 70 hives in a bush fire most of them burning like roman candles.
I have moved 1000s of hives on truck and trailer without a death all open entrance and all went to work as soon as they were settled.
Just for you Semaphore (the person that hides their name) thanks for yr post but never forget experience is something you will never get from a book or the internet!!
Come on Glen get a grip boy. This forum is to assist the Flow Hive users to have happy and healthy hives. The majority of people on this forum have between 1 and 4 Flow Hives hives and are more interested in the welfare of bees than they are of turning a profit compared those with 100 hives hives (not Flow) who have to make a living.
We share ideas and swap yarns but foremost in our endeavours is further the plight of the bees.
Please do not come here and denigrate members because they beg to differ from your ideas. Goodness me, I have disagreed with lots and lots of stuff on this forum but I respect the right to have fresh ideas without ridicule.
Stick around and you may learn something but don’t condemn stuff which does not comply with your practices
He actually doesn’t hide his name. If you click on his avatar, you can see that he is called Jack. Pretty good bloke, most of the time.
Hi Glen, you kind of contradicted yourself. Assuming you’re talking about quilts when you stated that they were next to useless. A couple of days ago you said “they are not required unless the bees are in Victoria or Tasmania.”
As for wide entrances vs 6" entrances. I used to use all wide entrances until I joined this forum. After reading what @Michael_Bush said about small entrances, I took a look at one of my hives with a narrow entrance built into it that someone gave me. I didn’t bother changing it, through time constraints. However, that was probably my best performing hive. I don’t use any wide entrances any more. I use an entrance reducer, however I place it in the middle so as to give the bees two small entrances, one each side. That allows air in on one side & out on the other side.
I’m sorry to read of your poisoned bees & burnt hives. That is every beekeepers nightmare.
I agree with @Dawn_SD, Jack IS a nice bloke.
I also agree with @busso when he says “Come on Glen get a grip boy”.
@Semaphore, Hi Jack, it wouldn’t be a bad idea for you to put your location in your profile. That’s something Dawn & Peter are constantly reminding folks to do.
I’m not really going to bother repsonding to most of what you wrote- your first post addressed at me was rude- I responded in kind.
your second post is even ruder- well - good for you. It’s clear you’re a smart arse.
Are you saying you had temps of 47c? When? The hive that I had when the temp hit 47 c (which was a record for any Australian city- ever) and increddibly low humidity- had a full length entrance Yet it died. Thousands of other hives died on the exact same day around the state- many of them commercial beekeeprs hives- people with hundreds of hives and decades of experience. But sure I guess you know better than all of them- and understand OUR conditions here in SA better than we do.
I never move a hive with an open entrance- as I have them in my car- and it would be pretty damned stupid. But I do use screen to cover the entrance so the hive is ventilated. Many beekeepers use screened lids when transporting hives- the bees benifit from it- but I guess they are all stupid because you know better. . Other beekeepers who I repspect far more than you use quilt bxes with success- again I guess they are idiots?
so once again- thanks- but no thanks.
Yes yr correct Im a smart ass but very experienced at it. High temps when? the summer just passed we also got the heat waves, SA is not the only State in Australia lol.
I stopped an entire job for days and sent the crews home after the temp hit 45c according to the Land cruiser temp gauge. But some out west would have recorded higher in their respective areas but not in a city and not official.
And just for yr benefit Semaphore/Jack Ill tell you a story from 20 + yrs ago. A friend of mine and still a good friend. Picked up 2 hives from a man that started up doing under road boring an innovator and very smart man, he had 2 hives and didn’t have time to look after them. He asked us to take them so Jeff said he would, Jeff loaded them into the back of his land cruiser troop carrier after carefully making sure they were all locked in and well ventilated. Some time up the road the bees started to walk. He abandoned the car after he couldn’t take anymore stings. Im not sure how far he walked to get home there were no mobile phones back then so he couldn’t call for help. the next day he opened the doors of his troop carrier and let the bees out un blocked the entrances and let them fly for the day that evening he moved them open entrance and never got a sting. 1 thing we laugh about is the inside of the troopy was covered in bee sht.
Now as for all those hives that died did the beekeeper supply his bees with clean drinking water or did they just let them drink shitty water from the dams that cows have been slopping through for months stirring it up, it would be hot full of algie and cow sht! Ask yr family to drink it!! In a heat wave many commercial bee keepers don’t have the money to provide truck loads of clean water to their bees, you tell me what do they do.
No Ill tell you what they do, they let them die and blame it on the weather instead of admitting its cheaper and easier to let them die. Then split hives next spring and keep surviving!!
Hi Glen, you wouldn’t be advocating moving hives with open entrances in cars would you? I sell a lot of colonies. The last thing I’d do is suggest someone move a hive open entrance in a car. The thing I do is make sure the bees can’t get out & that the hive is well ventilated. I caution the owners to DO NOT have a traffic accident. They always wholeheartedly agree.
Dirty water: @Michael_Bush again, speaks about bees collecting dirty water. I’ve also observed bees drinking dirty, putrid in fact water, while at the same time clean water was only a few meters away.
Jeff I would never advocate moving a hive inside a car no matter what, that’s why I said my friend Jeff had them all locked in and secure. (obviously he didn’t)!! And suffered a massive amount of stings because of his lack of due diligence, that was the point I was trying to make.
Bees will drink water from the source that best suits the hive but if there is only 1 they will use it good or bad
I agree about not advocating moving bees inside a car, no matter what.
Is that bloke still keeping bees? A first time honey customer yesterday told us that he bought 2 hives a lot of years ago. He dropped a brood frame & got about a hundred stings. That ended his beekeeping career. He didn’t say what he did with the hives.
I think every beekeeper has stories like that to tell.