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2 queenless swarms


#1

I read a lot but need a really simple answer…the more I read the more confused I got because all the advice was dependent on the objective…

I have two hives…both swarmed this past week.
I caught the first one and put it in a deep and started feeding it…it made a good bit of comb in 6 days but ZERO evidence of a queen…

The second one landed high in a tree and after 3 days left the tree and landed on post about 4 feet from their parent hive…today is day 5 for them.

I suspect both swarms were a virgin queen that left to mate and did not return…

What will happen if I dump these bees back in there hives of origin?

My objective is to replace all these workers …


#2

You’re not waiting long enough to check for brood.


#3

How long should I wait?


#4

I’d give it 10 days to 2 weeks max.


#5

That makes sense for the ones in the box…I caught them on day 1. B
ut what about the ones on the fence post? Why would they essentially return to their hive like that? It is my understanding they swarm…land…scout out a new home…leave…typically in 3 days…is it safe to say the queen is not there in a case like that?


#6

As an addendum the same thing happened last year…I had done a split and the main hive still swarmed…my mentor and I caught them and boxed them and they left the box within an hour and landed in a ball under the screen bottom board…after 3 days my mentor said just grab the ball and put it back in the hive…seemed fine after that…


#7

It’s almost never safe to say lol.
Is the weather favorable for mating?

You mention you have 2 hives. Do any of them have a frame of eggs/very young larva that you could spare? Put the fence post bees in a box with a frame to eggs/larva and that will hold them and give them an opportunity to rear a queen if necessary.

It’s also about location. Where are you located?


#8

I am in Alabama, US. great weather…nights are in the high 50’s…days high 70’s…I do have a spare frame of eggs and honey…let’s see what happens…thank you.


#9

If both those swarms have virgin queens where did the first swarms 10 days ago go?


#10

Swarm 1 had a queen…after 2 weeks she was doing fantastic…it appears 1 hive was queenless so I added newspaper and put that brood box on top of queenless one…waiting now to see the state of swarm 2


#11

learning from your posts thank you