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Advice needed on inspecting flow frames when they are very stuck


#26

UPDATE. We did another inspection of the flow frames and my OH did manage to get the frames out without too much flexing or cracking the comb, using two tools and going slowly slowly.

It was good we looked at the frames we thought we might take were not full in the middle. And frames we thought might not be full from the end view were actually completed capped.

So we took just one frame and the bees are steadily working on filling it again.

With a broken elbow I can’t get into my suit and pitch in, but evidently under the frames themselves the bees have put in a lot of hiney.

Keen to try to get get into my suit this week during our expected winter heat wave in Qld and assist with a brood inspection.


#27

I am so glad that you tried again, and found it successful and worthwhile. Thank you so much for the feedback. I wish you huge success with your future harvest and a speedy recovery for your elbow. :wink:


#28

Thanks Dawn

It was never in question that we’d not try again, but I had a feeling that with some advice it might be easier. The two tool trick certainly was a winner.

It’s awesome to come somewhere and get quick answers from experienced beekeepers


#29

My question is: Is it okay to let them fuse frames together? Inspections can easily be done via the FloHive windows and by closely examining bees coming in and out of the box which I do regularly. It’s not that I am afraid to break frames apart. I have all the equipment and have been doing just that and never even have gotten stung. But as an animal keeper I respect that these are not domesticated pets that seek human attention, rather are creatures hardwired to be left alone. So, if there are any adverse affects on letting them do their thing: gluing frames, I would like to know. If there is, please advise. Thanks!


#30

You can’t accurately inspect the center portion of the middle frames of the Flow super for capping through the end window. If the center is uncapped in an arc (happens frequently), you may end up flooding the hive with a honey leak when you harvest. That kills bees, as others have discovered. :cry:


#31

Looking into the freshly opened hive reminds me somewhat of an ant nest under a paver or rock that you lift up or roll over. It looks like a great disturbance, but they seem remarkable at fixing it all up again. Both Hymenoptera, which accounts for some similarities I guess.


#32

They do fix it up very fast- but I always feel slightly bad when I mess with their hive set up. Just like I feel sad for all the things that live under rocks when I pick the rock up and throw entire civilizations into chaos… Still: it must be done.


#33

#34

Hi Staci

Keeping bees in a way that respects the hive as much as possible and with as little human interference as possible is what many beekeepers want. However, it’s not enough when it comes to the flow super to only watch from the outside, I think (in my limited experience so far).

If talking only about the honey super, what you can see from the outer observation windows is not a good representation of what’s happening across the frame itself.

I too watch my hive every day and love doing so. The frames I thought were ready to harvest (from the window view) were no where near fully capped in the middle. And two frames I thought probably not full (again judging only from the window view) were actually fully capped across the frame itself, them having just not worked all the way to the edge of these frames.

Hope this helps.


#35

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#36

Slowly slowly.
I think it a matter for everyone to eventually work out for them selves as to what suits them or works best.
I take an end frame completely out first. Hive tool…fingers…hive tool…fingers. Then move the other frames side ways. If you can get them to move an inch or so side ways it is just a matter of …hive tool…fingers…hive tool… fingers just slowly working the frame up.
I do agree with most that the flow frames are much more difficult to remove than the ordinary frames.


#37

It’s imortant to pry loose your flow frames from the queen excluder and bottom frames first. At least twist the box and loosen the QX.
You can’t easily lift your flow frames if the bees glued them to what’s underneath.