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New hive, wait to add Flow frame super?


#1

Brand new South Texas beekeeper with a brand new swarm (well, about 2 weeks now). I am going to move them from the swarm box to a langstroth hive with 3 deeps. My goal is to have the main hive body on bottom, one honey super in the center that will be their own supply, then a Flow super on top. My question is should I wait to add the Flow super until they’ve filled their super? Or just move them into their new home with it all assembled.

Second question, will that one super be plenty to get them through our South Texas “winter”?

Thank you!


#2

Two deeps should be more than sufficient for the stark brutality of a Texas “winter.”

You’ll get mixed answers about throwing on the extra super so early. Some will say they won’t touch it until they have filled the second deep, and some will say it stresses them out to have too much extra space.

I figure when they move into a log, or a soffit in a house, they have lots of space, and they fill it when they are ready, so I am likely in the group that thinks throwing the super on now is fine.

Much of beekeeping is local, part is art, some is luck, and the rest is personal preference.


#3

With all due respect to @Lialos’s comment, if you look at honey bee swarms in the wild, they will preferentially choose a new home which has about the volume of one deep Langstroth box (research done by Thomas Seeley - famous bee researcher, available free in a very readable booklet here - https://ecommons.cornell.edu/bitstream/handle/1813/2653/Bait%20Hives%20for%20Honey%20Bees.pdf). This gives them enough space for brood and honey, but not too much to warm and defend. He tried lots of different sized homes, but that was the size they chose when allowed to make their own decision. It follows that this might be the best size to start with for a new swarm.

If you use the search tool at the top right, you will see that this subject has been covered extensively in the Forum.

To summarize for you, the Flow hive should be treated in exactly the same way as any traditional hive. If you read the basic books on beekeeping (e.g. Beekeeping for Dummies) they tell you always to fill one box before adding the next. If you got a swarm 2 weeks ago, you should probably only have one box in your hive setup at the moment, unless your swarm was humongous. If you give them too much space, they can’t heat or defend it.

To decide when to add the next box, I use the following rules, that the existing box has:

  1. Fully drawn comb covering most of every frame, and
  2. The comb is 80% full of brood, pollen or honey, and
  3. Every frame is well covered with bees

This rule applies to adding second brood boxes and honey supers. In other words, after adding the second brood box, I would wait until those rules were satisfied before adding the super (traditional or Flow super). That makes sure that there are always enough bees to use the space, heat it, and defend it.

You mean the second deep box that you are not going to harvest? It should be plenty. :blush: My SoCal bees have double deeps for winter, and they do just fine.


#4

@Dawn_SD has said exactly as I would advise. Making the hive too big for the bees is going to make trouble for you and the bees, Only add to the hive from a brood box when the bees have reached the parameters that Dawn has set out, they are not dreamed up by her, they are tried and proven as best practice.
Regards


#5

Listen to Dawn’s advice. As usual she has given you the good oil. Too much space stresses the bees.

Cheers
Rob.


#6

You might find this section helpful :slight_smile:

https://forum.honeyflow.com/c/beekeeping-basics/adding-the-flow-super


#7

That link doesn’t work for me @Faroe. :thinking:


#8

That’s strange… works for me:
https://forum.honeyflow.com/c/beekeeping-basics/adding-the-flow-super


#9

Ah I see. I was having a blond moment. I expected a post, not a list. :blush: Must need my dinner!


#10

Blond or grey moment? :stuck_out_tongue:


#11

I created a specific section in the forum on when to add the Flow Super :innocent: