Honeyflow.com | FAQ's | Community |

Emerge vs Hatch, Your vs You're, Advice vs Advise


#1

@Dawn_SD correctly pointed out that I was using “your” instead of you’re. She also correctly pointed out that eggs hatch & bees emerge.

No one has mentioned the difference between advise and advice. As it turns out advice is a noun, while advise is a verb as pointed out in this online dictionary: Advise is a verb meaning “to give counsel to; offer an opinion or suggestion as worth following.” Advice is a noun meaning “an opinion or recommendation offered as a guide to action, conduct, etc.”

We give people advice. On the other hand, we advise people.


#2

:wink:
When around 900 new words are created each year in the English language it’s not surprising some can’t keep up.
https://atkinsbookshelf.wordpress.com/tag/how-many-words-enter-the-english-language-each-year/

I wonder how many words are created each day in the American language.
:joy:


#3

Yeah with over a million words in the dictionary, (I reckon that bloke on “Letters & Numbers” knows them all) it’s easy to get confused.

Whenever I show people bees chewing their way out of a cell, I always say “emerging”, thank you @Dawn_SD. Before, I would have said “hatching”.


#4

It makes me wonder what other animal lays an egg and ‘emerges’. Like a chicken, for example, ‘hatches’ from the shell, and at that time ‘emerges’ as a chicken.
Seems to me very similar to a bee chewing it way out of the cell to ‘hatch’ and ‘emerge’ as a bee.
Thankfully we all know what a bee keeper is saying using either word, I think.:thinking::smirk:
Cheers


#5

Never wanted to say anything about the advise/advice thing, but it admittedly had bothered me. Thanks Jeff for speaking out.

I make plenty of mistakes, English being 3rd language, but I try and practice.
Sure pondered the hatch/emerge thing, but using it correctly now. Phew.

One can find lots of hatch/emerge wrong usage even in professional reports, books and articles, which immediately lowers the value of said piece for me.
We should be able to use our beekeeping terms correctly, if hobby, semi or professional.
There’s a lot to learn in beekeeping, the terms are pretty easy to digest compared to the practical experience we need to gain.


#6

Well Jeff and @Webclan, you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.
:laughing:


#7

I like that saying Skeggs. Up in Papua New Guinea new bees are born, not emerge or hatch. There is no wrong use of emerge or hatch when we all can cross reference it in our minds, so if that confuses the readers then they would have trouble understanding the book or article they are trying to read.
Cheers


#8

emerge is technically correct- but I think hatch is poetically correct - and in truth either will suffice. There is a theory about language that there is no absolute right or wrong: there is just shared meaning. If a word conveys the intended meaning to the listener then in a sense it is correct usage- regardless of what some dictionary says.


#9

I agree with you Jack. This morning a bloke phoned me because his colony swarmed out of his flow hive. Anyway during the conversation I was saying “emerge”, he was saying “hatch”. The good thing was, we both knew what each other was saying.


#10

I am the swarm list here in adelaide- and it must be a very poor season as I hav’t had a call out for over 5 weeks. Normally I would get a call a week at this time. I did have one funny job- a lady called and said she had a ‘swarm of bees’ - I asked ‘how big?’ she said- ‘if you put your thumb and forefinger together: that size’, I said ‘golf ball sized?’ she said 'yes. I said ‘sounds liek wasps to me’… anyhow she sent a photo and yes it was a very small wasps nest. She asked if I could come out- it was a sunday and a 30 minute drive. I said- just spray it with bug spray if it bothers you. She said no way. I said I guess I could come out for $100 dollars :wink: Finally we agreed on $70. EASY MONEY. I just sprayed it, cut it off the wall and stomped on it.:sunglasses:

back to topic- I know the difference between their and there bit very often screw it up.

as to advice/advise another way to say it when we advise people we give them our advice:

“Jeff advised me to weaken the hive. I ignored his advice and my hive swarmed”


#11

Wow, that’s a good way to put it Jack.

I had a similar job quite a few years ago. I think I quoted him $60 or $70. When I got there, I wondered how I could make this look hard. I ended up tearing down all of the mud wasp nests as well, just so I felt justified in taking his money.

I assume you’re in aircon comfort with that code red in place down there. I thought of you down there. I heard it’s going to hit 49C somewhere.

Sometimes I have to think about bought & brought. Example only:- I went out & bought a flow hive, then I brought it home.


#12

the forecast for Adelaide the last few days was 40C but luckily so far it hasn’t quite been that hot it’s just 39C right now;-)

Luckily I have evaporation cooling (as do my bees! Apparently the specialist water bees run around ‘puking’ water around to cool the hive)- which works well if the humidity is on the low side. So far the humidity here is relatively low… so it’s working. But every year I swear it gets a bit more tropical here in summer. Sometimes it feels just like Kuala Lumpur. I’m itching for the heat wave to end so I can go and super-up a lot of my hives- assuming they are finally ready for it. I have the supers all primed and waiting… \

Bought and brought are just annoying IMHO. I use ‘amongst’ quite a bit but spellcheck says I shouldn’t. Screw spellcheck

A good thing about the weather is that it’s perfect for alchemy: Turning horrible brood comb into yellow gold:


#13

Sorry all but I can’t understand why there should be any confusion.
Chickens hatch from an egg. Caterpillars, some snakes and bees also hatch from an egg. Butterflies emerge from cocoons in a simular process as bees do. The correct terminology should be used.

As for advice and advise, they are even pronounced differently. Different words with different meanings.

A rap on the knuckles from year 3 teacher if you get it wrong


#14

Come now we can’t all be perfect


#15

I’ve decided I like wasps ever since I watched them carry caterpillars back into their nests for food…


#16

I don’t mind them either- until I see yellowjackets attacking my hives… I felt bad killing these ones- … but not that bad :wink: they were paper wasps I think… I also got stung a few times gardening by them- and wasp stings hurt- worse than bee stings. they burn like a red hot needle- ad they get you multiple times. So I figure I just got even.


#17

Still, they are also pollinators. And the way insects go around the world, we shouldn’t kill any. Even if they don’t give us honey.


#18

I agree Alan, wasps do a fantastic job. Of the 100,000 species around the world, 12,000 are native to Australia. They all pollinate & a lot of them keep other insects & pests under control.
A good video to watch:


This is another good video to watch:

cheers

#19

Fascinating! Do you know of any that target locusts?

Edit: I should also have mentioned that the first NatGeo video might give young kids nightmares. But it’s still fascinating to watch. Nature is remarkable.


#20

I reacon I am going well if I can string together a full sentence and then remember what it was about, if it makes sense then that’s a bonus :thinking::laughing: