Beekeeping in Corona, Southern California? A queen was born, what to do next

I live in Corona California. Suburbia, back yard with one hive. It is 70-80 during the day and 41-50 at night right now. I am a new beekeeper. I started with a nuc and one brood box April 2024. Great harvest in July 35-40 pds and small harvest at the end of October (6 pounds). I removed super. Let the bees take the remaining honey. My colony looked small and not much brood or honey in the brood box. And 2 queen caps 1 week ago.
Today the bees were in a frenzy all over the yard. Then the settled and swarmed the basil, 20 ft from the hive. I put on my suit and went to find the queen. I found her and put her a clip and brought her to the hive, thinking my hive made a new queen. I wanted them to follow so I brought a handful of bees back to the hive and later they returned.
(This was the first time I have done anything like this; I cant believe I actually found the queen)

So my questions are many…. Did I do the right/wrong thing? I thought the queen was doing poorly in my hive and this was a new queen. That my current colony would want. In retrospect, maybe I should have started a new box for her and those small amount of bees? But what would have happened to the current colony. When I check tmrw, what should I look for? What should I do next?
And….do I need 2 brood boxes for the winter?
Do I need to feed in this area? Can I trust there are enough flowers in this area nov-march?

Hi Shaki, welcome to the forum!

It sounds to me like your colony swarmed. Possibly not for the first time, given the low numbers you described. Very hard to assess without seeing for myself though, so I could be wrong about that. I can say that I wouldn’t recombine a new swarm back into the parent colony, because the bees will most likely swarm again after the temporary disruption. Beeks who don’t want multiple colonies have succeeded with a later recombination after managing the swarming phase according to the stage it’s in and allowing the colonies to first stabilize in separate hives.

How are they doing since you posted? Have you monitored and treated for mites?

Your questions, especially the one about feeding at this time of year, will be better addressed by folks like @Dawn_SD who live in your region.

Thank you so much for taking the time to reply. You were right! The next day they swarmed again in the same place, a smaller amount. I tried again to capture them. It is starting to get cold here and not sure what they do if they dont have a home. I was able to capture them with the queen and this time the queen looked very different. Her bottom was appeared flattened to me. I dont know if that is normal. I wonder if she was injured, but she was not acting injured. I put them in a small box with a small opening below where they swarmed. Now I do not know what to do. (I ordered a new bee hive, traditional for the time being it will be here tmrw.)

Will the new queen and the small amount of bees with her survive at this time. How will they eat? Should I feed them right away? Will they be ok for 1 day with out feed? They are in a small cardboard box. I can put sugar water out for them. I plan on transferring to the new brood box when it arrives tmrw. (I caught them Monday at dusk, Wednesday it will be here.)

Here is the thing, 20 feet away, I went to my hive and it was empty. Everyone left. I am so sad and I dont understand why. I think you are right this could be more than one attempt of a new queen. The honey comb left has some brood and some pollen and some honey but all the bees left. So I feel bad and not sure what to do next.

As far as treatment goes in the original hive. I did not treat for mites, but also did not see any mites. I have looked and taken pictures so I can look even better but did not see any. I have seen a few about 5, small hive beetles in the comb a couple months ago. In the pest management tray at one point I saw a few SHB and a couple worms but they drowned in the oil and I put peppermint candy in there and I thought it repelled them pretty good. I did not see any more. I thought the colony had taken care of them. The comb yesterday had 5 beetles that I saw when I went thru them all. The comb is dark, empty with some pollen and some honey, not much brood.

The super had no mites or beetles and was full of honey in july and harvested 35-40 pds and about 2.5 weeks ago removed it, took some 2 quarts and fed the rest to the bees. At that time is when I noticed two queen caps. I dont know where they put all the honey that was left in the super.

I am also so confused about the flow hive as far as how many brood boxes to have. I just had the one. I thought it would be enough because I am in southern cal and they are still flowers every where. But I am thinking this was part of the mistake. Maybe I should have 2. Also thinking that taking off the super disrupted them, there were so many bees at that time, 2.5 weeks ago. I was thinking maybe I should have left the super alone and they would all still be here. The winters are mild compared to other areas. It is about 47 at night- 75 day and it gets down to a light frost here in January/Feb. I bought my original nuc in April. Maybe I should leave the super on all year?

My goal is to be organic and not use chemicals with the bees. The books and forums I read still are pretty confusing. I feel like I am pretty lost and thought everything was going so well. Now to have an empty hive feels pretty bad.

Any advice you have is much appreciated.

I am not sure what to do next. My flow hive has comb that I was thinking I should harvest the bees wax. Then clean it really good and prepare it for when I get more bees from the current group or if I have ti start over and buy a new nuc in the spring. How to clean it is also what I dont know

Later today… bees are returning to the original hive……:see_no_evil:

First of all, Shaki, I want to say that you seem like someone with great beekeeping potential and I’m glad you’re already talking about ‘next year’ :cherry_blossom:. So please don’t feel bad about how things are unfolding - bees have their own plans and remedies for situations that take us a long time to understand. The best beeks learn how to work with what the bees want and need, and you sound like someone willing to do that. You just need more time and will really benefit from taking an in person class where you can join in on live inspections. Please also stay active on this forum so you get to know the various tweaks required for successful Flow hive management. Not to mention tons of deep beekeeping wisdom from the many experienced beeks here, as well as encouragement!

I’m going to paste items from your post to try to organize my responses for you:

Colonies reduce in size in regions with a periodic nectar dearth. Here in PA, they start winding down in August/Sept ahead of cold fall and winter weather when there’s no more nectar or pollen. That may be the case where you are, but beeks in your area will know best.

Colonies reduce in size when they swarm too. A swarm contains about half the population and half the honey stores, but there is meant to be enough honey, brood and nurse bees plus one or more viable queen cells or an emerged queen to keep going. Swarming is a normal reproductive activity that happens as nectar begins to be most abundant - springtime through early summer. It can happen in late summer or fall but much more rarely. Absconding is another way bees leave a hive en masse. That happens because they are fleeing adverse hive conditions, and will include the whole colony.

When they swarm, they are simultaneously making a plan for where to go next and have several choices already. A marvelous process I encourage you to read more about! When they abscond, it’s more of an emergency.

One thing that would help me understand what’s going on with your colony is what you mean by “queen caps”. There are queen cups, which are chickpea-sized inverted cup structures that form the base of a potential queen cell, but the bees don’t always move forward with building. Hence they are sometimes also called ‘play cups’. Then there are actual queen cells, which are much more extended or already formed into 1” or slightly longer vertical cells inside of which is a larva or pupa becoming a queen bee. A cap refers to the lid workers make to cover the opening of a cell at the end of the larval stage. So given those descriptions, what do you think fits what you saw?

Another question best answered by locals. One thing to keep in mind is that flowers don’t necessarily have nectar in them. Some just don’t provide much, and none can if there’s been no rain for awhile.

Definitely do not do this. It can encourage robbing from other nearby colonies and even from other pollinators that could compete with and kill your bees. Open feeding is always risky for this reason, but especially in fall when nectar is scarce. If your colony stays put and it’s best to start feeding (probably), then use an in-hive method like a frame feeder or baggie and fill it with 2:1 sugar to water ratio so it’s easier for the bees to cure it in cooler weather. Lots more info to guide you on feeding is here on the forum if you search it.

I’ve never heard of using candy, just essential oils to repel pests. I’d worry about ants coming for the candy.

Varroa mites are endemic, and you will not likely be able to see them even when they are there, wedged between body segments and under wings, on larvae etc. Your colony may have been very healthy and then rapidly declined due the weakness and diseases caused by mites. Please read up on varroa mite management and the treatment choices. I use oxalic acid-soaked sponges in early spring and then monitor periodically thru the season in case I need to supplement with a different treatment like Apivar in the fall. Rarely have I needed to do that, because the sponge method ensures the treatment is continuously distributed as the workers chew and remove the sponge all season. Very effective and non-toxic.

I’m curious - why do you think it needs to be cleaned? What I’m wondering is if you’re seeing any slimy residue on the combs or other surfaces that would indicate SHB infestation. If not, then all you need to do is freeze the frames for 24-48 hours with the comb in them to kill off any pest eggs. Then store them wrapped in burlap or closed in a plastic tub to keep out moths and mice. Having drawn comb is a real head start for a new colony and they will feel right at home. But if the combs are slimy/shiny looking and have a bad smell, then they do have to be cleaned - you could render the wax (although brood comb really doesn’t yield much) and then scorch the empty frames or do a vinegar water soak and thorough airing out before storing as described.

Thank you again so much for everything. I will digest everything you said respond.

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