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What top for a Flow Super?


#1

Apologies in advance if I missed this with a search.

I’m considering adding a Flow Super on a 2 stack of 8 Deep Langstroth Brood Boxes. Will a standard Langstroth cover work with interior cover fit properly on top the Super?

Thanks!


#2

Telescopic cover. No. Migratory cover. Yes. I’m pretty sure about this because I’m in the process of building mine from scratch. I’ve seen a Flow super with a flexible inner cover draped on top of the Flow frames so I know that works.

Disclosure: You might want confirmation of this advice. I still regard myself as very much a novice but I’m much less of a novice than a few months ago.


#3

The boxes are all standard size Langstroth deeps. Any components made to fit those specs should work just fine.


#4

Hi Adam, I recently read somewhere that they’re not using deeps, they’re using full depth. I’ve been wrongly calling mine “Langstroth deeps” when I should have been calling them Langstroth full depth". I saw full list of the available sizes for Lang frames. However I can’t remember where I saw it.


#5

Langstroth Standard is Deep/Brood/Flow depth
Langstroth Shallow is normal Super
Langstroth Jumbo is the Super deep size


#6

Not sure if there is officially a different name or deeper depth langstroth frame. But the manufacturer of the wood components uses the designations Shallow, Medium, and Deep on their website, and that is what I am used to seeing in the mail order catalogs as well. It’s probably easier to just refer to them by the common name that is generally accepted by the masses.

I have seen custom made frames that are the equivalent of two deep frames connected together in some of the natural beekeeping information I have been reading, but I have never seen them available for purchase. Their argument is that bees prefer large uninterrupted panes of wax.


#7

Thanks for replies folks. New here and trying to really sort things in my mind before ordering my hive/components. One thing that has me a little puzzled with a cover (telescopic, migratory or other) is the little pull out wooden bar at the top of the box where you access the slots for inserting/turning the Flow Key. My intent is to modify a Langstroth 8 frame deep per the video/instructions, but I’m uncertain if a telescopic top or anything the hangs over the from presents a problem in access and removing this little wooden bar.
Thanks!


#8

I spent a great deal of time trying to work out the frames sizes

… and these are just for the Langstroth: then there is National, Commercial, Warre, Top bar, home made, Japanese Warre


#9

Hi Adam, ignore what I said, I went searching after I posted but could only find basically what Valli just posted. I found one list that includes a “Jumbo”. As it turns out, I’ll keep on calling mine “deeps” or “full depth”


#10

It gets worse

National are easy
Three box sizes only 14x12, Standard National, Shallow


#11

On the issue on covers, I use all migratory, that includes about a 40+mm space above the frames, separated by a vinyl mat covering the frames with a bee space all round for bees to access the lid space.


#12

@dk1
Hope this helps

Migratory:

Telecsopic over hangs 2 types 4" and 6"

Inner cover or Crown board

Top entrance (up-side-down obviously

In Britain we call this a shim can be used as an entrance

Pitched roof like the Flow

Not seen this before deep telescopic with an entrance

This I love bit more expensive but I have made made my new shims with an exit like this using Magnum ice cream sticks - it’s called a Snelgrove board - usually used to clear a top box of bees but I have used it as an entrance in a pinch


#13

This is a video of my lid/cover/top & vinyl mat strategy


#14

A snelgrove board is usually used in a Demaree to split a colony as part of pre-emptive swarm control, to make increase or to rear extra queens on a small scale. You’re thinking of a clearer board.
A shim is American for an eke.

One thing I have noticed is that the telescopic covers are very shallow. Are they a type of roof?


#15

Jeff
I haven’t seen such a mat in use here in the UK.
We tend to use a crown board, as in Valli’s picture, which maintains the bee space over the frames. The bees will make a little comb but not a significant amount.
Poly hives are supplied with a flimsy plastic sheet which works in the same way.
I use 6mm polycarbonate crowns which you can see through :smile:


#16

Yes you can use it for a demaree split (yes I know it was made for that).
I have a Snelgrove - I used it as an entrance when my SBB didn’t arrive. And can be used for clearing

The telescopic lids are usually 4" or 6" deep over hang - mainly to keep the weather out of the top box and allows for a bit of ventilation - they can have an extra rim inside just under the roof for ventilation


#17

@Dee what roof do you have? nationals have telescopic rooves normally?


#18

It was the word telescopic I couldn’t understand, never heard that.
The wooden Nats have 6 inch overhangs, the poly maybe 2 inch.
In the winter all my hives have 12 inch deep PIR roofs on the poly and a complete cosy on the wood. The reason for the extra deep covers on the poly hives is that although the bees propolise the crowns I like to keep the weather off where they sit as well as allowing room to feed fondant if necessary.
How deep are your Lang roofs?


#19

They call them telescopic because the top of the super/brood box is enveloped by the lid - making the upper most box look smaller - telescoped in.

I have normal 2" I couldn’t see the point of the deep lids


#20

A sheet of plywood and a brick or two work great.